Re: oh man joe biden
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sun Jun 30 2024 09:43 am

There were some saying that four years ago when it was pointed out that he was already not all there.... "Trump will surround himself with yes people, but Biden will build a good team." I agree with the first half of the sentence, but a Democrat team being good only is true if you believe that moving left and being globalist is good.

Trump literally ran it like a business. He even brought in people to give them a chance and if they didn't work out, he cut them. That's how he does things.
He wanted everything to work like a business.

There were some people that didn't play along and just talked to the press all the time. That didn't help out anything. Paul ryan comes to mind. Paul Ryan is a sellout. He used to be for the people but when he moved on up he sold out. That's what everyone is required to do when they work their way up in politics.
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Some are jumping. Others (people I know) have really dug in. They would defend the debate performance if all he did was stand there and drool. They really hate Trump that much. They probably don't care for Biden but are happy with how his handlers are running the country. Just as long as it is a Democrat and not Trump they don't care.

Well - the entire camp jumped like 10 minutes after the debate. It 100% was a setup and... I just hate the media. The media, they are not.

I have grown tired of both of them also. I cannot think of any Democrat that I think is "really good." They cannot run Barack again, his wife supposedly does not want to run, and whoever is left is probably more
left than the Biden Administration has been.

I heard freaking Bernie Sanders - as if that would work against Trump... I think we need to get beyond republican/democrat. I want the best [wo]man for the job - we need a complete rethink IMO.

Supposedly Kamala is upset that the names being floated by some Democrat pundits do not include hers.

She is a COMPLETE nothing burger. She'll never be the POTUS, not will she run for it. Her entire career was putting poc in prison and wants to somehow be a savior because she's on the democrat ticket? GTFOH.

That said, he danced around a few others and flat out didn't answer one. Biden actually seemed to briefly gain coherence and gave what I thought was a good answer to a Jan 6 question that Trump didn't really answer.

I was yelling at Trump; freaking SAY OUT LOUD that 12M people came to the border, literally said 'im scared of X country and need asylum' and we let them in with a court date 38 mos later - its insane...

The way things are going, RFK will likely get my vote if he is on the ballot in my state. If Biden runs and wins, Kamala will wind up
President between now and 2028, which is a non starter for me.
I cannot vote for Trump because of his previous insistance that DW> Presidents are basically above the law.

I agree that I can't vote Biden... RFK, while not someone I'd... want to vote for - I hear you.

I disagree about Trumps 'above the law' view - I think they DO need to be above the law - because they literall have to be. Cmon dude; you think Bush didn't break ALL the laws going into Iraq? But thats the point... we pick a leader, and we stand behind them; I think yer getting wrapped up with the messenger in Trump, but what he's trying to say DOES make sense.

Our POTUS' do the deeds that need to be done - whether we agree or not - they shouldn't be ruined because of those choices; they should NOT be elected before them.



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I believe the 9-11pm ET time slot was too late for him to be alert. I do not believe the "cold" excuse.

Agree - I also think he's a career politician who can read a speech or a teleprompter better than the media... he's a politician; a washed up, RETIREE who won't give in. And he's gonna NOT give in until he fucks up the U.S. citizens because of his inability to realize......

He's fuckin dead, dude. He won't make it - well, MAYBE he'll be alive in 2028 - but he won't be coherent. Go freaking retire and enjoy your awesome life... but no, he wants to keep fucking us till the last breathe.

Disgusting.



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The Democrats would have to swing hard towards center for me to even consider them. I cannot vote for Trump because of >his previous insistance that Presidents are basically above the law.

One thing to keep in mind is that Trump and MAGA have moved the overton window far enough right that center looks left. I find it incredulous that the parties believe that these two are the best America has to offer. Then again, the parties are the problem.

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Re: Re: oh man joe biden
By: paulie420 to Dumas Walker on Sun Jun 30 2024 07:10 pm

I disagree about Trumps 'above the law' view - I think they DO need to be above the law - because they literall have to be. Cmon dude; you think Bush didn't break ALL the laws going into Iraq? But thats the point... we pick a leader, and we stand behind them; I think yer getting wrapped up with the messenger in Trump, but what he's trying to say DOES make sense.

Waters get a bit muddy here.

The way democracy works is by having people delegate their rights on the government. I don't think you can delegate rights you don't have, as a general principle. If you don't have the right to steal bread from the poor then you can't appoint a government to steal bread themselves. Modern democracies have lots of exceptions but that is because modern democracies are crooked.

So basically I think if you don't have the right to steal and lie and kill then you cannot designate somebody to steal and lie and kill in your name.

Trump's case is kind of funny because half the US political class was in a state of open rebellion all through 2020. Local politicians were letting rioters thrive because riots brough unstability to the federal government, and they didn't care if the people they represented had their homes, cars and businesses burned in the process. Governors were wiping their asses with executive orders. Democracy was ripping by the seams because half the country didn't respect due procedures, and in any other country this would have resulted in lots of politicians getting jailed for insubordination or rebellion.

So yeah, if majors and governors are above the law and above their duty, the why not every other politician? If open rebellion is a valid tactic for democrats in 2020 then open rebellion is a valid tactic in Jan 6 and laws need not apply to any side.

I don't think democrats who jumped on the George Floyd bandwagon are aware of the sort of Pandora's box they opened.


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also had another person there to assist in the event that Joe fell to the side Jill was not on.

It is too bad Trump didn't exit in the same manner. That would have provided a perfect contrast.

I'm sure trump said goodbyes to individuals. Furthermore, this is also cnn which literally is his enemy. On their site they are still bulding up biden and talking about trump repeating "falsehoods".

I meant it would have been nice to contrast how they both handled the
steps. Trump didn't use them.

Biden told some falsehoods, too. After his *repeated* claim that border
patrol had endorsed him, the border patrol union posted on social media
that they had not, and never would, endorse Biden.

His claim that no soldiers had died under his watch was also very false.
There were several deaths during the botched Afghanistan withdrawl, and
there have also been deaths elsewhere (Jordan for example).

Regarding CNN, when Biden started to look lost while Trump spoke, I was
shocked they continued to use the split screen. It did Biden no favors.

Biden WAS a world class debator. There was nothing he was better at. He couldn't debate a meatloaf at this point, and that's not a bunch of malarky.

No joke. He is horrible.


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Sherrod Brown ohio senator,
The 71-year-old would be the oldest of the alternate picks, but is still seven
years younger than Trump. It was considered a surprise when he did not have a tilt for the Democratic nomination for 2020, at the time saying remaining as Ohio's senator was "the best place for me to make that fight" on behalf of working people. A strong voice on labour rights and protections, he has also spoken defending IVF and abortion.

This brings up something that I don't understand. Why have some states
used their anti-abortion stances to go after IVF, too? They basically
don't want people who don't want kids to get rid of them, and they also
don't want people who do want kids, but can't have them without help, to
have them.

Sounds like they just like to punish people.


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Trump literally ran it like a business. He even brought in people to give the
a chance and if they didn't work out, he cut them. That's how he does things.
He wanted everything to work like a business.

There were some people that didn't play along and just talked to the press all
the time. That didn't help out anything. Paul ryan comes to mind. Paul Ryan is a sellout. He used to be for the people but when he moved on up he sold out
That's what everyone is required to do when they work their way up in politics

There were some sellouts, but Trump also has a reputation for either not listening to, or firing, people who do not tell him what he wants to hear.

IMHO, so does Hillary and many/most other politicians these days.

Joe has at least some history of not listening, too... Afghanistan
comes to mind... but he also did not fire any of those Generals who gave him bad advice that *was* followed, either, which he should have done.


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Supposedly Kamala is upset that the names being floated by some Democrat pundits do not include hers.

She is a COMPLETE nothing burger. She'll never be the POTUS, not will she run for it. Her entire career was putting poc in prison and wants to somehow be a savior because she's on the democrat ticket? GTFOH.

That, and doing as Monica did, so to speak. At least Monica didn't use it
to get a start in politics.

That said, he danced around a few others and flat out didn't answer one. Biden actually seemed to briefly gain coherence and gave what I thought was a good answer to a Jan 6 question that Trump didn't really answer.

I was yelling at Trump; freaking SAY OUT LOUD that 12M people came to the border, literally said 'im scared of X country and need asylum' and we let the
in with a court date 38 mos later - its insane...

Yeah, one of the few things that Biden was able to do was sometimes bait
Trump into spending too much time refuting Biden's previous answer vs.
giving a good answer of his own. There was another issue... I cannot
remember which one... where Trump could have given a great answer but
instead used his time to cover something Biden mentioned.

The way things are going, RFK will likely get my vote if he is on the ballot in my state. If Biden runs and wins, Kamala will wind up President between now and 2028, which is a non starter for me.
I cannot vote for Trump because of his previous insistance that DW> Presidents are basically above the law.

I agree that I can't vote Biden... RFK, while not someone I'd... want to vote for - I hear you.

I really don't want to, either, but something needs to happen or the
dominant parties won't learn from their errors, which they've kept
repeating since at least 2016.

I disagree about Trumps 'above the law' view - I think they DO need to be abov
the law - because they literall have to be. Cmon dude; you think Bush didn't break ALL the laws going into Iraq? But thats the point... we pick a leader, and we stand behind them; I think yer getting wrapped up with the messenger in
Trump, but what he's trying to say DOES make sense.

There are some protections regarding certain things that Presidents have to
do, but they cannot be held above the law for everything... like terminating a political rival, as Trump's lawyer, in court, flat out agreed a President should be able to get away with so long as Congress does not impeach
him/her.

I thought for sure that lawyer would get fired but, oddly, he is the one
that Trump kept.

I voted for Trump twice, tho 2016 was really a vote against HRC, so I don't think I have an issue getting wrapped up with the messenger there. I
certainly don't have the hate-boner for him that a lot of people do. If I
had to vote for one or the other this time, and had no other choice, I'd have to vote for Trump again but since I don't have to I won't.

As an aside, it has recently come out that HRC, as SOS, wanted Julian
Assange droned so that he could not leak any more damaging evidence against
her or the Obama Administration. Had Obama followed her advice, I
certainly think he should *not* be protected from prosecution for it.

If we protect Presidents from prosecution from *everything*, we are no
better than any other self-oppressive nations.


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I believe the 9-11pm ET time slot was too late for him to be alert. I do
not believe the "cold" excuse.

Agree - I also think he's a career politician who can read a speech or a teleprompter better than the media... he's a politician; a washed up, RETIREE who won't give in. And he's gonna NOT give in until he fucks up the U.S. citizens because of his inability to realize......

Yeah, he is much better, but slipping, with a teleprompter. I am sure he missed having one during the debate.

He's fuckin dead, dude. He won't make it - well, MAYBE he'll be alive in 2028 but he won't be coherent. Go freaking retire and enjoy your awesome life... bu
no, he wants to keep fucking us till the last breathe.

Disgusting.

Someone mentioned this and I had forgot... Obama talked him into stepping
aside for the 2016 election to let HRC pretty much run without opposition.
Joe always wanted to be President, and Obama supposedly promised he could
try "next." So they were pointing out that maybe what we have now...
Zombie Biden running... is an indirect result of that promise.


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The Democrats would have to swing hard towards center for me to even consider

them. I cannot vote for Trump because of >his previous insistance that Presidents are basically above the law.

One thing to keep in mind is that Trump and MAGA have moved the overton window
far enough right that center looks left.

That is true, especially in the eyes of a MAGA or a far-right wing voter.
There are some things that used to be center that they will flat out attack
as being "leftist."

I find it incredulous that the parties
believe that these two are the best America has to offer. Then again, the parties are the problem.

I agree 100% on both points. We have had nothing but horrible choices
since at least 2016. I did not like, or vote for, Obama but at least he
was coherent and I cannot say he was an outright horrible choice.


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Cmon dude; you think didn't break ALL the laws going into Iraq?

Waters get a bit muddy here.

LOL - really? How so - what I was trying to say is that I think presidential immunity IS needed, and WAS given through all of our history - Trump only had to fight for it being on the books because of what the current POTUS is doing to him.

And... I think the SCOTUS got it right today with the limited ruling they gave; I think they got it perfect.

So basically I think if you don't have the right to steal and lie and
kill then you cannot designate somebody to steal and lie and kill in
your name.

And thats pretty much what SCOTUS said today; presidents have immunity when they are doing things that relate to their position - and not if they kill their wife. Or politcal opponent. :P

Democracy was ripping by the seams because half the country didn't Ar> respect due procedures, and in any other country this would have resulted Ar> in lots of politicians getting jailed for insubordination or rebellion.

And still are.... but I think we're on the same page here. I don't know how Jan 6th was even CLOSE to being on the level of the prior years 'protests of love' - what a j0ke.



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Yeah, one of the few things that Biden was able to do was sometimes bait Trump into spending too much time refuting Biden's previous answer vs. giving a good answer of his own. There was another issue... I cannot remember which one... where Trump could have given a great answer but instead used his time to cover something Biden mentioned.

Trump spent too much [all] time on the border - he has a lot more to say, and should have... he was trying to be reserved, calm and did OK [for him] at doing so - but for ME to get pumped for Trump I want... Trump!

There are some protections regarding certain things that Presidents have to do, but they cannot be held above the law for everything... like terminating a political rival, as Trump's lawyer, in court, flat out agreed a President should be able to get away with so long as Congress does not impeach him/her.

Until today - where I think the SCOTUS got it right and gave immunity for actions taken under the presidential position - and not external ones... perfect IMO; we now have it.

I voted for Trump twice, tho 2016 was really a vote against HRC, so I don't think I have an issue getting wrapped up with the messenger there.
I certainly don't have the hate-boner for him that a lot of people do.
If I had to vote for one or the other this time, and had no other
choice, I'd have to vote for Trump again but since I don't have to I won't.

At this point I don't think we have another choice - I *really* wish we did. I don't think Trump is the end-all answer TODAY, but he sure is the ONLY choice.

Stupid, too - the left could have won me back over if they just didn't try to Weekend at Bernie's me.

If we protect Presidents from prosecution from *everything*, we are no better than any other self-oppressive nations.

And we don't/won't - SCOTUS got it right today IMO.



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That is true, especially in the eyes of a MAGA or a far-right wing voter. There are some things that used to be center that they will flat out attack as being "leftist."

Considering that in a sane political environment, Joe Biden is actually a center-right institutionalist, shows just how far the window has moved.

I agree 100% on both points. We have had nothing but horrible choices
since at least 2016. .

We've had horrible choices for far longer than that, it just became much more evident in 2016. The DNC's decision to run Hillary when Sanders had much more appeal, was a definite mistake. And then again in 2020 by annointing Biden as the presumptive candidate and basically reducing the democratic debates as little more than bread and circuses for the masses where more viable candidates were cast aside. Buttigieg or even Yang would have been far superior. Trump and his ilk aren't healthy for our form of government.

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Re: Re: oh man joe biden
By: Bryan to Dumas Walker on Mon Jul 01 2024 08:23 pm

democratic debates as little more than bread and circuses for the masses where more viable candidates were cast aside. Buttigieg or even Yang would have been far superior. Trump and his ilk aren't healthy for our form of government.

maybe that's a good thing. our form of govt is dogshit.

I'd rather have trump again or other some outsider.
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That is true, especially in the eyes of a MAGA or a far-right wing voter. There are some things that used to be center that they will flat out attack as being "leftist."

Considering that in a sane political environment, Joe Biden is actually a center-right institutionalist, shows just how far the window has moved.

Joe himself could be. His handlers, and any Joe voters I know personally, are not.

We've had horrible choices for far longer than that, it just became much more evident in 2016. The DNC's decision to run Hillary when Sanders had much more appeal, was a definite mistake. And then again in 2020 by annointing Biden as
the presumptive candidate and basically reducing the democratic debates as little more than bread and circuses for the masses where more viable candidate
were cast aside. Buttigieg or even Yang would have been far superior. Trump and his ilk aren't healthy for our form of government.

The DNC not only decided that in 2016, they let Sanders run but gave
Hillary the DNC pursestrings, making the Sanders run pointless.
Supposedly, in 2016, Obama asked Biden to step aside and promised him a
turn. Hence, the 2020 annointment, which they blamed on COVID.

For 2024, the RNC took a page out of the 2016 DNC playbook and have handed
the pursestrings over to Trump's family. Trump by himself I don't really
see as being much different than other politicans of these days... the only difference between Trump and Hillary is their political party. Both of
them are loud-mouthed, obnoxious beings.

Some of Trump's rabid followers, including some in Congress, I cannot
disagree -- they are horrible for our country. Again, the only difference between a Squad member and an MTG is their political party affiliation. Otherwise, they are all morons.


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Until today - where I think the SCOTUS got it right and gave immunity for actions taken under the presidential position - and not external ones... perfect IMO; we now have it.

Problem is that a good politician can frame a lot of what they do as "under their presidential position"... "the dirt that Julian Assange was going to
leak (on me) was a 'threat to our democracy' so we had to drone him today."

Or "The election was being stolen from me (which, in the nearly 4 years
since, I have still not proven) so I had to have a rally in DC on the day of the electoral college verification (even though no other outgoing President
has ever done this), and it is not my fault the rally (that I should have know better NOT to have) got out of hand and they stormed the Capitol."


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Re: Re: oh man joe biden
By: paulie420 to Dumas Walker on Mon Jul 01 2024 08:52 pm

At this point I don't think we have another choice - I *really* wish we did. I don't think Trump is the end-all answer TODAY, but he sure is the ONLY choice.

Technically, he's not.. There are some 3rd-party candidates running this year. Some people say voting for a 3rd party is a waste of a vote and they won't get elected.. Sure they won't, if people keep thinking that way and don't vote for them.

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Re: Re: oh man joe biden
By: Dumas Walker to BRYAN on Tue Jul 02 2024 09:07 am

Considering that in a sane political environment, Joe Biden is actually a center-right institutionalist, shows just how far the window has moved.

Joe himself could be. His handlers, and any Joe voters I know personally, are not.

The old joe biden and his whole family were described as conservative by tucker carlson who was friends with hunter biden and his wife.

You can see from old videos that this guy was a conservative, cocky, racist person.
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Re: Re: oh man joe biden
By: MRO to Bryan on Tue Jul 02 2024 00:55:27

maybe that's a good thing. our form of govt is dogshit.

It's not. It's abhorrant that the supposedly greatest nation on the planet is so dysfunctional politically.

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Re: Re: oh man joe biden
By: Bryan to MRO on Tue Jul 02 2024 10:22 am

Re: Re: oh man joe biden
By: MRO to Bryan on Tue Jul 02 2024 00:55:27

maybe that's a good thing. our form of govt is dogshit.

It's not. It's abhorrant that the supposedly greatest nation on the planet is so dysfunctional politically.

what i replied to is:

Trump and his ilk aren't healthy for our form of
government.

it's a good thing. our govt is dogshit.
our politicians are all on the take. if they don't do the right things, pharm cuts the donations. our entire federal govt is corrupt.

if trump isnt good for our form of govt, that's probably a good thing.
he's the cure to the disease. he's good with dealing with foreign leaders. He's not a warmonger like our other presidents. Trump runs the country like a business.

If you hate trump for some reason, whatever. lets get another outsider who can't be bought and isn't part of the good ole boys club.
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Problem is that a good politician can frame a lot of what they do as "under their presidential position"... "the dirt that Julian Assange was going to leak (on me) was a 'threat to our democracy' so we had to drone him today."

You know; I was thinking 'they got it right' in the context of TODAY. Of what the left is trying to do to Trump and how I feel about that... the more I think about it, tho, is that in 20-40 years it will be used on the other side [or any side] in ways that I'm NOT thinking about right now; in a negative way....

Or "The election was being stolen from me (which, in the nearly 4 years since, I have still not proven) so I had to have a rally in DC on the
day of the electoral college verification (even though no other outgoing President has ever done this), and it is not my fault the rally (that I should have know better NOT to have) got out of hand and they stormed
the Capitol."

Its not that the election was stolen - thats just stupid talk. But it was BS that they mass-mailin'ed every person in America. (Or, whatever it was...)

It changed how we do things; you go vote at your local school or church. In person - and we know the results within a few hours... I would have more respect for some new 'online' thing that we all AGREED on; where you VERIFY your ID and vote from a secure device.... but the mailin stuff was BS IMO.

What's so CRAZY about (lol) identification to freaking vote - its NEEDED, jesus h christ!

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Problem is that a good politician can frame a lot of what they do as "under their presidential position"... "the dirt that Julian Assange was going to leak (on me) was a 'threat to our democracy' so we had to drone him today."

You know; I was thinking 'they got it right' in the context of TODAY. Of what the left is trying to do to Trump and how I feel about that... the more I thin
about it, tho, is that in 20-40 years it will be used on the other side [or an
side] in ways that I'm NOT thinking about right now; in a negative way....

Yeah, I worry about the future of what it could mean. Trump acted like it
was a victory but, really, I am not 100% sure they didn't just verify that
it was how it always was, and it doesn't really make him as immune as
everyone thinks. Him acting like it somehow changes things is the worrying part -- makes one think things did change.

It has been suggested that some of his court cases could require retrials
as some of the evidence used involved things he'd now be considered immune from, even if the charges themselves were not things he was immune from.

Or "The election was being stolen from me (which, in the nearly 4 years

Its not that the election was stolen - thats just stupid talk. But it was BS that they mass-mailin'ed every person in America. (Or, whatever it was...)

They didn't mass mail everyone but apparently some states did decide to
mail every registered voter, which is wrong. In my state, you had to
request the mail-in ballot. I only did so for the primary. I thought the general was too important not to go in person.

What is wrong with sending to every registered voter? Well, when they sent
out the info about obtaining a ballot, I got a postcard for me, for a
previous resident who now lives out of state (and had for 10 years), and for the original resident who had been dead at least 15 years.

Being an honest individual, I sent mine back to get a primary ballot, and
sent the other two back indicating their status. If I had wanted to, I
could have tried obtaining three ballots because my state does not do a
good job of keeping the rolls clean.

Once COVID was considered "over," my state did away with the expanded
mail-in balloting, resuming the previous requirements for absentee voting.
They also kept the limited, early in-person voting, which I find convienent
and which shuts people up who claim the polls need to be kept open later on voting day.

It changed how we do things; you go vote at your local school or church. In person - and we know the results within a few hours... I would have more respect for some new 'online' thing that we all AGREED on; where you VERIFY your ID and vote from a secure device.... but the mailin stuff was BS IMO.

They way they handled the mail-in, especially in some places, was indeed
BS. There should never, ever be an unmanned polling place, like a drop box
out in the open, where someone can drop off votes. Too easy to stuff and,
if you don't believe that, there was evidence of them being vandalized or stolen, which is also very bad.

What's so CRAZY about (lol) identification to freaking vote - its NEEDED, jesu
h christ!

I really, really don't understand, or buy, the argument that you should
*not* need ID in order to vote. That is what is crazy. If there really
are too many barriers to getting an ID for legit citizens, fix the problem by making it easier to get the ID.

Because making it easier to *get* an ID is not the part of the issue that
gets targetted, I question the motivation behind the "why do you need an
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He's good with dealing with foreign leaders.
He's not a warmonger like our other presidents.

I am not real high on Trump right now, but I cannot disagree with either of
the above. The only foreign leaders that Biden is better with are the ones that want handouts from us.

Trump runs the country like a business.

I also cannot disagree with this, but will point out that a lot of
businesses that are run like businesses go under. There are plenty of
parts of government that need running more like a business, for sure, but
there are parts that require considerations that businesses don't normally face.


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Re: Re: oh man joe biden
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Wed Jul 03 2024 08:35 am

Trump runs the country like a business.

I also cannot disagree with this, but will point out that a lot of businesses that are run like businesses go under. There are plenty of
parts of government that need running more like a business, for sure, but there are parts that require considerations that businesses don't normally face.

well with trump the proof is in the pudding.
our branches of govt are too convoluted. as are the laws.
trump helped to fix that with his executive orders. now those orders have been reversed and look at what we got.

One example is trump brought back jobs to america. obama said with what magic want is he going to do that.

Those trump years were probably the best years i could remember for myself personally. now look at what we have now.

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/

people just want to hate on trump. I dont care about trump; i care about results. right now i'm living in a shitty world.
We aren't doing as well as the ukraine president's wife.
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It has been suggested that some of his court cases could require retrials as some of the evidence used involved things he'd now be considered
immune from, even if the charges themselves were not things he was
immune from.

Not after November... :P

They didn't mass mail everyone but apparently some states did decide to mail every registered voter, which is wrong. In my state, you had to request the mail-in ballot. I only did so for the primary. I thought
the general was too important not to go in person.

Texas - I moved away from there 5 years ago; my ex-GF got a mail-in that she could have filled out and mailed in... sure, I'm just one person - but I bet theres millions just like me????? Yes.

What is wrong with sending to every registered voter? Well, when they sent out the info about obtaining a ballot, I got a postcard for me, for
a previous resident who now lives out of state (and had for 10 years),
and for the original resident who had been dead at least 15 years.

Because I moved away from my ex-GFs house 5 years ago; and she received a ballot for Biden/Trump 2020... sure, I'm just one guy right? Wrong. Add in all the people that aren't me. And all the people that are. And all the families with some person who wanted to vote this way or that; its stupid. ID - go to your polling station and vote. Just like is has been for 250 years. Stupid, IMO.

Being an honest individual, I sent mine back to get a primary ballot, and sent the other two back indicating their status.

How many AREN'T you - more than you, I'd think...

Once COVID was considered "over," my state did away with the expanded mail-in balloting, resuming the previous requirements for absentee
voting. They also kept the limited, early in-person voting, which I find convienent and which shuts people up who claim the polls need to be kept open later on voting day.

Oh jesus; COVID was a scam - we all know it in 2o24.

They way they handled the mail-in, especially in some places, was indeed BS. There should never, ever be an unmanned polling place, like a drop box out in the open, where someone can drop off votes.

Agree - I thought you were on the other side from previous quotes. :P

I really, really don't understand, or buy, the argument that you should *not* need ID in order to vote. That is what is crazy. If there really are too many barriers to getting an ID for legit citizens, fix the
problem by making it easier to get the ID.

Yep - same same.



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people just want to hate on trump. I dont care about trump; i care about results. right now i'm living in a shitty world.

I don't have a hate-boner for Trump like a lot of people do. I do have a lot of concerns about his actions, and statements, since losing the election that make me question whether or not I would vote for him again.

I cannot question most of his first-term results.

We aren't doing as well as the ukraine president's wife.

Most of us are not doing as well as our own President's wife.

As an aside, speaking of hating on Trump... in 2011, for the final centennial-era Indianapolis 500, Donald Trump was named as the driver of
the pace car. There was a ruckus raised, and he reportedly "stepped down"
from the honor as a result. A J Foyt wound up driving the pre-race pace car laps.

I point this out because, even in 2011, several years before his
Presidential run, there were already people out there with TDS.


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They didn't mass mail everyone but apparently some states did decide to mail every registered voter, which is wrong. In my state, you had to request the mail-in ballot. I only did so for the primary. I thought the general was too important not to go in person.

Texas - I moved away from there 5 years ago; my ex-GF got a mail-in that she could have filled out and mailed in... sure, I'm just one person - but I bet theres millions just like me????? Yes.

Some states sure did do it, but I am a little surprised that mostly Red
Texas did it. Then again, they did have unmanned drop boxes in some areas
so maybe I should not be at all surprised. :(

IIRC, one of the participants in the FIDO POLITICS echo, who lives in New
York, also received an unsolicited ballot. I think he also sometimes posts here on Dovenet. Here in Kentucky, we only received material telling us how
to request a ballot.

What is wrong with sending to every registered voter? Well, when they sent out the info about obtaining a ballot, I got a postcard for me, for a previous resident who now lives out of state (and had for 10 years), and for the original resident who had been dead at least 15 years.

Because I moved away from my ex-GFs house 5 years ago; and she received a ballot for Biden/Trump 2020... sure, I'm just one guy right? Wrong. Add in all
the people that aren't me. And all the people that are. And all the families with some person who wanted to vote this way or that; its stupid. ID - go to your polling station and vote. Just like is has been for 250 years. Stupid, IMO.

My question was rhetorical. :) I agree they should not, and said why. I believe that most states are like mine and don't keep their voting rolls cleaned up, which means if they'd sent out the unsolicited ballots they'd
have sent a bunch of live ballots out to persons who can no longer legally
vote (moved away, dead, etc.).

Being an honest individual, I sent mine back to get a primary ballot, and
sent the other two back indicating their status.

How many AREN'T you - more than you, I'd think...

I am certain of that.

They way they handled the mail-in, especially in some places, was indeed BS. There should never, ever be an unmanned polling place, like a drop box out in the open, where someone can drop off votes.

Agree - I thought you were on the other side from previous quotes. :P

No, I like what my state did. They didn't send ballots to everyone, only
those who requested them, but that was not perfect because they send out
the request materials to everyone on the rolls, including people who
should no longer be on them. That is how I know that two other former residents were still on their rolls.

I like that my state did away with "everyone can mail in" voting in a timely fashion, reverting back to the old absentee rules, but kept the additional in-person voting because now no one can complain that they didn't have a
chance to vote. I believe that is much, much better than places that leave
the polls open, but only in certain areas, for several hours later on
election night.

I also like that, to my knowledge, they've never attempted the unmanned
polling drop box idea that other states have tried.


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Re: Re: oh man joe biden
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Thu Jul 04 2024 08:48 am

We aren't doing as well as the ukraine president's wife.

Most of us are not doing as well as our own President's wife.

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Re: Re: oh man joe biden
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Thu Jul 04 2024 08:48 am

I point this out because, even in 2011, several years before his Presidential run, there were already people out there with TDS.

Some people just aren't fans. Even before that, I've heard Biff Tannen from Back To The Future was based on Donald Trump.

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Re: Re: oh man joe biden
By: paulie420 to Dumas Walker on Wed Jul 03 2024 09:21 pm

Texas - I moved away from there 5 years ago; my ex-GF got a mail-in that she could have filled out and mailed in... sure, I'm just one person - but I bet theres millions just like me????? Yes.

My brother in CA got three for my father who passed away in 2018 and has never lived in CA.

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Re: Re: oh man joe biden
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Thu Jul 04 2024 08:48 am

I don't have a hate-boner for Trump like a lot of people do. I do have a lot of concerns about his actions, and statements, since losing the election that make me question whether or not I would vote for him again.

I don't hate anyone... but I do not vote for the person. I vote for the platform.

I vote for the plan... not the man.

I vote for things like $1.80/gal gas, supporting law enforcement, women only competing in women's sports... etc.

All things in the conservative plan.

Biden's plan is to hate Trump... Biden has no plan.

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Re: Re: oh man joe biden
By: Bf2k+ to Dumas Walker on Thu Jul 04 2024 02:14 pm

I don't hate anyone...

Hate is powerful as heck. I would not be where I am right now if I didn't hate so many people.

But I agree it is not a good guide for voting.




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Re: Re: oh man joe biden
By: Bf2k+ to Dumas Walker on Thu Jul 04 2024 02:14 pm

I vote for things like $1.80/gal gas, supporting law enforcement, women only competing in women's sports... etc.

All things in the conservative plan.

Biden's plan is to hate Trump... Biden has no plan.

the democratic party's entire gameplan from when trump was elected to his last day was to fight trump. they got nothing done. things were sidelined because of trump. They weren't even doing their duties. There were times when i would read the minutes from their meetings and they did literally nothing but go on lunch.

biden was the cherry on top to their efforts.
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Re: Re: oh man joe biden
By: MRO to Bf2k+ on Thu Jul 04 2024 07:45 pm

the democratic party's entire gameplan from when trump was elected to his last day was to fight trump. they got nothing done. things were sidelined because of trump. They weren't even doing their duties. There were times when i would read the minutes from their meetings and they did literally nothing but go on lunch.

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I point this out because, even in 2011, several years before his Presidential run, there were already people out there with TDS.

Some people just aren't fans. Even before that, I've heard Biff Tannen from Back To The Future was based on Donald Trump.

I probably wasn't a fan back then, either, but I wasn't "wasn't a fan"
enough to throw a fit about Trump driving the pace car.

I will have to admit I have no idea who Biff Tannen is. I don't think I
have ever seen that movie all the way through.


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I don't have a hate-boner for Trump like a lot of people do. I do have a
lot of concerns about his actions, and statements, since losing the election >> that make me question whether or not I would vote for him again.

I don't hate anyone... but I do not vote for the person. I vote for the platform.

I vote for the plan... not the man.

Part of his plan was to try to prove that Presidents were fully immune from criminal prosecution, which is where he lost me.

I vote for things like $1.80/gal gas, supporting law enforcement, women only competing in women's sports... etc.

I loved that, too, but I don't want a President that won't leave office
when it is time. I also don't want a President who thinks it is a good
idea to throw a rally in DC on the same day the Electoral College is being certified.

I don't care who they are, what party they are from, or how cheap fuel is.

Biden's plan is to hate Trump... Biden has no plan.

A lot of Biden's voters like that plan because they, too, don't care what
is going on around them as long as Trump is not in charge.


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Texas - I moved away from there 5 years ago; my ex-GF got a mail-in that she >> could have filled out and mailed in... sure, I'm just one person - but I bet >> theres millions just like me????? Yes.

My brother in CA got three for my father who passed away in 2018 and has never
lived in CA.

Were they sent to him by California or by your father's former state of residence?

Here they did not send out ballots but they did send out material on how to request one. I got material for myself, for the previour resident (who
moved out of state 10 years before the election), and for the original
resident who'd been dead for ~15 years.

I sent mine back to get a primary ballot, and sent theirs back with "no
longer lives here" and "DECEASED" written on them. I didn't receive
anything else for either of them.


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Re: Re: oh man joe biden
By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Thu Jul 04 2024 07:04 pm

Some people just aren't fans. Even before that, I've heard Biff Tannen
from Back To The Future was based on Donald Trump.

I will have to admit I have no idea who Biff Tannen is. I don't think I have ever seen that movie all the way through.

I'm a little surprised, considering how well-known the movie is. But he's one of the major characters and appears in one of the first scenes of the movie.. If you've even seen a little bit of it, you've probably seen Biff Tannen. He is a bully, and I'd say he's the main antagonist in the first 2 movies. In the second movie, they made him more like Trump in that he ends up wealthy (temporarily) and owning a skyscraper and paying off the police, etc..

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Re: Re: oh man joe biden
By: Dumas Walker to BF2K+ on Thu Jul 04 2024 07:13 pm

My brother in CA got three for my father who passed away in 2018 and has never
lived in CA.

Were they sent to him by California or by your father's former state of residence?

I don't remember... I'd have to ask my brother that.

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Re: Re: oh man joe biden
By: Dumas Walker to BF2K+ on Thu Jul 04 2024 07:06 pm

I don't have a hate-boner for Trump like a lot of people do. I do have a >> lot of concerns about his actions, and statements, since losing the election >> that make me question whether or not I would vote for him again.

I don't hate anyone... but I do not vote for the person. I vote for the platform.

I vote for the plan... not the man.

Part of his plan was to try to prove that Presidents were fully immune from criminal prosecution, which is where he lost me.

it is very complicated stuff. There is a LOT of misinformation.
Trump claimed he had immunity involving his efforts to undo the election loss. Part of this was him tryin got get pence to not certify the electoral votes.

Of course his lawyers are going to do their job and get him out of whatever comes.

supreme court ruled he has some immunity from prosecution.

If you want a president who doesn't break 'laws' and is held accountable for what they do, you are on the wrong planet. At that level, laws mean nothing and money means nothing.
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Re: Re: oh man joe biden
By: Dumas Walker to BF2K+ on Thu Jul 04 2024 07:13 pm

Were they sent to him by California or by your father's former state of residence?

Here they did not send out ballots but they did send out material on how to request one. I got material for myself, for the previour resident (who moved out of state 10 years before the election), and for the original resident who'd been dead for ~15 years.

in my city i had to fill out a form online and upload my id and they mailed me a ballot. My voting place looked like the building from new jack city, so I did mail in. At my workplace people received a lot of mail in ballots from people who did not live at their houses. There were several people that had that issue. Furthermore, there were crooked mail carriers who were selling stacks of ballots.

I sent mine back to get a primary ballot, and sent theirs back with "no longer lives here" and "DECEASED" written on them. I didn't receive anything else for either of them.

get a big marker and write ANK on it. that's address not known. that's the only thing that will help you. The carrier can just file in the correct area at the station.

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My brother in CA got three for my father who passed away in 2018 and has never
lived in CA.

Were they sent to him by California or by your father's former state of residence?

I don't remember... I'd have to ask my brother that.

Well, either way, some state is really screwed up.



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the democratic party's entire gameplan from when trump was elected to his last day was to fight trump. they got nothing done. things were sidelined because of trump. They weren't even doing their duties. There were times when i would read the minutes from their meetings and they did literally nothing but go on lunch.

My recollection is they got more done than the current MAGA congress.

If you substitute "MAGA Republicans" for "democrat party" and "Biden" for "trump" in your statement above, you'd have a good description of the last
four years. The difference being that, under Biden, there will be a bill for something the MAGAs supposedly don't like so they will say "we cannot pass 'that' unless you add 'this'."

Then "this" gets added, and they say "we cannot pass 'this' thing we
supposedly wanted because it has 'that'." At least some things apparently
got done under Trump, with Democrats in Congress, especially pre-COVID.

Politicians have always been bad, but this latest AOC/MTG crop his
*especially* bad. Voters for both parties need to flush the toilet and
start over.


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Part of his plan was to try to prove that Presidents were fully immune from >> criminal prosecution, which is where he lost me.

it is very complicated stuff. There is a LOT of misinformation.
Trump claimed he had immunity involving his efforts to undo the election loss.
Part of this was him tryin got get pence to not certify the electoral votes.

Of course his lawyers are going to do their job and get him out of whatever comes.

It really isn't that complicated. Listening to his lawyer agree, in court, that a President cannot be prosecuted for even killing a political
opponent, so long as Congress does not impeach him, was not misinformation repeated elsewhere. The dumbass did it. I thought for sure Trump would speak out or fire the guy, but he went along with it. The lawyer who did that wasn't the one fired, it was the dude he kept.

To agree to such a situation, under oath, in past would have completely unraveled their defense. To argue such nonsense is not their job.

If you want a president who doesn't break 'laws' and is held accountable for what they do, you are on the wrong planet. At that level, laws mean nothing and money means nothing.

It used to and still should. If we've let the country get to that point,
we've really screwed up.


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At my workplace people received a lot of mail in ballots from
people who did not live at their houses. There were several people that had that issue.

I have heard that it happened elsewhere (New York state, apparently
California, and now apparently Wisconsin), but it didn't happen that way
here.

Furthermore, there were crooked mail carriers who were selling
stacks of ballots.

That I did not hear.

I sent mine back to get a primary ballot, and sent theirs back with "no longer lives here" and "DECEASED" written on them. I didn't receive anything else for either of them.

get a big marker and write ANK on it. that's address not known. that's the only thing that will help you. The carrier can just file in the correct area a
the station.

I wanted it to go back to the election office that sent it to me so that
they could (maybe) clear them off the rolls. Since I did not receive
anything for them for the 2020 general election, it might have worked.


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Re: Re: oh man joe biden
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sat Jul 06 2024 09:48 am

sidelined because of trump. They weren't even doing their duties. There were times when i would read the minutes from their meetings and they did literally nothing but go on lunch.

My recollection is they got more done than the current MAGA congress.

I havent paid attention to the recent congress. what i did pay attention to was what i mentioned during that time period. they intentionally did nothing other than schedule lunch.

If you substitute "MAGA Republicans" for "democrat party" and "Biden" for "trump" in your statement above, you'd have a good description of the last four years. The difference being that, under Biden, there will be a bill for something the MAGAs supposedly don't like so they will say "we cannot pass 'that' unless you add 'this'."

hey lets not normalize 'magas' or 'maga republicans'. it's childish namecalling that really just pushes us further to a civil war.

Politicians have always been bad, but this latest AOC/MTG crop his *especially* bad. Voters for both parties need to flush the toilet and start over.

we need to gut the entire system. we need to limit terms. we need to
regulate what politicans can do. they shouldn't be bought by big pharma. Their financial records need to be routinely scrutanized. people in our upper govt go from being 'poor' to multi millionares and the salary doesn't add up.
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Re: Re: oh man joe biden
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sat Jul 06 2024 09:43 am

whatever comes.

It really isn't that complicated. Listening to his lawyer agree, in court, that a President cannot be prosecuted for even killing a political
opponent, so long as Congress does not impeach him, was not misinformation repeated elsewhere. The dumbass did it. I thought for sure Trump would speak out or fire the guy, but he went along with it. The lawyer who did that wasn't the one fired, it was the dude he kept.

To agree to such a situation, under oath, in past would have completely unraveled their defense. To argue such nonsense is not their job.

but that is a fact due to our system, isn't it?
there's a lot of loopholes. presidents kill people for political reasons routinely.

It used to and still should. If we've let the country get to that point, we've really screwed up.

Laws never mattered if you were rich and powerful. Laws are for the little people. Laws are routinely broken and nothing happens if there's no follow through.
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Re: Re: oh man joe biden
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sat Jul 06 2024 09:46 am

Furthermore, there were crooked mail carriers who were selling
stacks of ballots.

That I did not hear.

I saw a video of it, i'm not sure if it was my home state but wouldn't be surprised. also there's weird stuff like this

https://www.whsv.com/content/news/Pendleton-County-mail-carrier-charged-with-altering-absentee-ballot-requests-570777221.html

or cases of postal workers throwing out ballots.

The post office has been hiring anybody with a pulse since like 2018. They dont pay well and don't have good benefits. These arent the 'regular' postal carriers you think of. they have carrier assistants who help eat up what would be 600+ million of dollars of overtime.

I was told that they don't hire people with felonies but they used to [when they did i heard they performed well], but anything else goes. No exam, no drug test or medical exam.
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Re: Re: oh man joe biden
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sat Jul 06 2024 09:46 am

At my workplace people received a lot of mail in ballots from
people who did not live at their houses. There were several people that had that issue.

I have heard that it happened elsewhere (New York state, apparently California, and now apparently Wisconsin), but it didn't happen that way here.

Furthermore, there were crooked mail carriers who were selling
stacks of ballots.

oh i got my mail in ballot pack today. ripped it up. I'm supposed to be unregistered for voting.
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oh i got my mail in ballot pack today. ripped it up. I'm supposed to be unregistered for voting.

So your state is still allowing mail-in for non-absentees. Interesting.
That sounds shady.


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Re: Re: oh man joe biden
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Tue Jul 09 2024 08:30 am

oh i got my mail in ballot pack today. ripped it up. I'm supposed to be unregistered for voting.

So your state is still allowing mail-in for non-absentees. Interesting. That sounds shady.

they don't have to question the reason for it.

"Voting by Absentee Ballot
Under Wisconsin law, voters do not need a reason or excuse, such as being out of town on Election Day, to vote absentee. Any voter who prefers to vote by absentee ballot may request one.

If you are not already registered, you will need to register to vote before an absentee ballot can be sent to you. A new voter registration application is required any time you move (even minor changes such as apartment units), change your name, or if you have not voted in the past four years.

Photo ID Required
Unless you are a military voter, permanently overseas, or are indefinitely confined, you must provide the Election Commission with a copy of your photo ID to keep on file. If you are not sure if you have an ID on file already, feel free to contact us. The address on the ID does not need to be current. For a list of acceptable photo IDs, visit BringIt Wisconsin.

Voters who are indefinitely confined (meaning they have difficulty getting to the polls due to age, illness, infirmity, or disability) may request a ballot be sent to them for every election by checking the box on the application. Indefinitely confined voters are not required to provide photo ID.

Deadline
Applications for absentee ballots must be received no later than 5:00 p.m. on the Thursday before the election. "
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oh i got my mail in ballot pack today. ripped it up. I'm supposed to be unregistered for voting.

So your state is still allowing mail-in for non-absentees. Interesting. That sounds shady.

they don't have to question the reason for it.

"Voting by Absentee Ballot
Under Wisconsin law, voters do not need a reason or excuse, such as being out of town on Election Day, to vote absentee. Any voter who prefers to vote by absentee ballot may request one.

That is shady, but apparently legal. They should question it, and they shouldn't just send it to you unrequested.


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On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 12:43:00 -0500, you wrote:

"Voting by Absentee Ballot Under Wisconsin law, voters do not need
a reason or excuse, such as being out of town on Election Day, to
vote absentee. Any voter who prefers to vote by absentee ballot
may request one.

That is shady, but apparently legal. They should question it, and
they shouldn't just send it to you unrequested.

It does say above "may request one," which would make it somewhat normal. However, if they're just sending them out to anyone and everyone (I don't believe my wife or I have ever gotten one, and we live in Wisconsin also).

I wonder if the people who do get them without requesting them are on some sort of mailing list through the government.

Regards,
Nick

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Re: Re: oh man joe biden
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Wed Jul 10 2024 07:43 am

"Voting by Absentee Ballot
Under Wisconsin law, voters do not need a reason or excuse, such as being
out of town on Election Day, to vote absentee. Any voter who prefers to
vote by absentee ballot may request one.

That is shady, but apparently legal. They should question it, and they shouldn't just send it to you unrequested.

Wisconsin doesn't send a ballot unrequested. SOMEONE requested it, you just need to enter your full name and birthdate.

If someone else requests it on your behalf, without your permission, that's a violation of state laws (impersonating a registered elector).

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Re: Re: oh man joe biden
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Wed Jul 10 2024 07:43 am

That is shady, but apparently legal. They should question it, and they shouldn't just send it to you unrequested.

i got a big packet and it said 'your home ballot' or some shit like that.
i tossed it out. I revoked my voter registration previously, too.

I was sick of jury duty shit.
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Re: oh man joe biden
By: Accession to Dumas Walker on Wed Jul 10 2024 05:22 pm

It does say above "may request one," which would make it somewhat normal. However, if they're just sending them out to anyone and everyone (I don't believe my wife or I have ever gotten one, and we live in Wisconsin also).

when i voted by absentee i went online and entered my info and then uploaded my drivers license. i'm not sure what was in that packet because i ripped it in half and tossed it. maybe it was a democrat scam with shit inside telling me who to vote for. I got stuff like that before. lists of people on the ballot and who i should vote for.

I wonder if the people who do get them without requesting them are on some sort of mailing list through the government.

it could be that disabled list or people are just flagging it.
in my old home city people voted under me. I don't trust any of that shit.
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Wisconsin doesn't send a ballot unrequested. SOMEONE requested it, you just need to enter your full name and birthdate.

If someone else requests it on your behalf, without your permission, that's a violation of state laws (impersonating a registered elector).

So it sounds like someone requested it as "mro" and it went to mro's real address instead of the address of the person who requested it. So it is
not the government doing something shady, but someone who is violating your state laws.

That is no doubt something that could happen here or in any state that
allows absentee voting. :(


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That is shady, but apparently legal. They should question it, and they shouldn't just send it to you unrequested.

i got a big packet and it said 'your home ballot' or some shit like that.
i tossed it out. I revoked my voter registration previously, too.

I was sick of jury duty shit.

I am not sure how it works in Wisconsin but here if you file a state tax return, iirc have a driver's license, and several other things non-voting related, you can still get jury duty.

About the only way to avoid it is by having no form of state-issued ID or
any contact with state government where your address would be put on
record... so no unemployment insurance, interaction with child support, a
job that reports your income, etc.


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Re: Re: oh man joe biden
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Thu Jul 11 2024 10:26 am

I am not sure how it works in Wisconsin but here if you file a state tax return, iirc have a driver's license, and several other things non-voting related, you can still get jury duty.

About the only way to avoid it is by having no form of state-issued ID or any contact with state government where your address would be put on record... so no unemployment insurance, interaction with child support, a job that reports your income, etc.

in wisconsin they say they use a list from the dmv; I am one a list at the dmv so they don't share my info. i've also heard that other sources use voter registration lists. It makes sense that they would use registered voter info because we are required to keep that information current and it's considered a reliable list of people's names and addresses. It's also public record.

When i moved and registered in my new area, a month later i got jury duty.
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